Monday 16 March 2009

Upon Reflection


"Isn’t it too late to shut the stable door once the horse has bolted?"

Below is a list of recommendations of changes set out by Vikky for UKPR.

These changes have all been brought into play in the life of UK Parrot Rescue because of the points this blog has raised over the last two weeks.

So, for all those people who have thrown mud at this blog during this time, look at what it has achieved? Or were these changes going to happen anyway?

UKPR are now cleaning up their act if it is not too late for them, and hopefully made others take note of what is happening in this lawless ungoverned world for the sake of the poor birds whose lives are at stake, and whose rights need to be defended by the people who love and care about them like us.

Every point this blog has raised over the last few weeks has now been addressed bar one, and that is Mylo & JJ, the catalysts of it all.

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Vikky
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Post: #1Steps forward for UKPR during 2009

At UK Parrot Rescue,we are always looking at how we can improve the way we do things,which is why we welcome suggestions and/or constructive criticisms,we are not just here to serve the birds,but we are also here to serve the general public whom chose to use us when they can no longer care for the birds they hand into our care,but also to provide a place where the fosterers of those birds,have a support system to help them with the lifelong commitment they have made to take care of these birds,the perception that the public have on any organisation is vitally important,and as the last couple of weeks has proved,as we are "not governed " by any organisation,this can leave us open to those who doubt us,we have learnt a lot from this as a an organisation,and have taken steps to rectify the "gaps" in peoples minds,please note the changes that will take place during 2009

form a committee/ and have a constitution
register with the charities commission
register with the NCVO
register with HMRC charities to gain gift aid
set a limit on ec places/stick with the e/c's we have
find reputable rescues to take on too's and macaws
make public our accounts every 6 months

im sure you will agree that this can only be seen as positive steps forward for us,and will only serve to gain us more respect as an organisation,we also feel that this will be a huge benefit to us,of course as these changes take place,we will make an announcment informing you of each step achieved.......

regards UKPR team

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If people upon reflection, can take a step back and realise the error of their ways then this can only be a good thing. This blog never set out with the intention to hurt or destroy anyone including UKPR. It was set up with the clear intention of defending Mylo & JJ’s rights as rescue birds, and exposing the bad practices of UKPR who had abused those rights and trampled them underfoot. As this went further the struggle for what was right for Mylo & JJ and what it exposed with UKPR got uglier and the implications wider.

It’s just what happens in these types of situations.

People have criticised the openness of this blog, but in defence… Who before now has brought these bad practices to the surface and forced change, change not just in this one organisation but hopefully change within the parrot rescue industry? It is glaringly obvious that there needs to be new laws and regulations governing this area brought in for the sake of the birds whose welfare is at the centre of it. If as people together we fail to bring about change then we fail to defend them and their rights.

If the authors of this blog have made any mistakes along the way or offended anyone then please accept our apologies. No offence was intended, it’s just you cannot please all the people all the time, only some of the people some of the time.

To accept you have made mistakes and be willing to correct them is either a mark of humility or a mark of knowing what has been presented cannot be refuted so you have no alternative but to rectify the points in question.

Only those who have now implemented the changes for UKPR know the answer to that one.

This last situation which is the one still outstanding after the two weeks, (apart from what has not been presented yet), is where the proof behind the changes now lays.

Mylo & JJ were destined to live at Caron’s after all of the relevant UKPR home checks had been carried out.

Then the last two weeks which are chronicled on this blog unfolded, from start to finish, wherever that finish now is.

Mylo’s present welfare and future wellbeing has been protected and defended from all those who have sought to do him injustice over the last two weeks. That is why he is still sitting here, a happy little chappy with his eyes and feathers glowing, and we have worked tirelessly to have him reunited here, with his partner JJ, which is still the No.1 issue in hand.

If that Sunday morning on the ‘infamous thread’ did not happen then JJ would be here now, so who is in the wrong if you trace it all back?

As humans we are charged with looking after these creatures, and this is exactly what has been forced upon us for the sake of Mylo & JJ.

"Defending the Rights of the Defenceless."

Would you have done it?

Now is the time for Vikky to do the right thing and let JJ be released from Adele’s so that she can come and join her partner Mylo at Caron’s home where they were both destined for at the very beginning of all of this, along with their cage that was their intended home.

If not, then there is no alternative but to continue fighting for what we believe to be the right thing for these two birds, for as along, and for as hard, as we have to for the right outcome for the both of them...Anything less would mean failing Mylo.

I call on Vikky to now do the right, the humble thing, and accept the initial mistake, and rectify it by letting JJ finish her journey to be with her partner Mylo so that we can all see a happy ending to this for this pair of Macaws.

Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes, it’s just whether or not we are humble enough to accept them when we should and then change them.

Only those personally involved in this from start to finish know the truth, and we all know that truth cannot lie.

So now is the time to rectify the situation and do the right thing.

All other UKPR issues that this blog has raised are now being changed, so please for the sake of Mylo & JJ change this last issue of contention. Their present welfare and long term wellbeing as living creatures are paramount, and they have been apart for long enough.

Psalm 16:15

Psalm 16:18 - 20

21 comments:

  1. Has this all been a game for ukprwatch.How can you say you didnt set out to hurt people and ukpr?.You have accused them of stealing birds,stealing funds,using rescue birds for breeding,they have been called bullies,liars and scammers and cheats.Anyone remotly affiliated with ukpr has been attacked verbally and pushed aside like they have no right to an opinion.Reverse psycologhy is never going to work im affraid,you have said to much,hurt to many people and broken the law in you quest for revenge.Even the title header of your blog is enough to get you prosecuted for defamation let alone the pages and pages of text.I agree mylo and jj should be together again and soon but its never going to happen if its left to you is it,you have one agenda,they both live with me or they will be fought over,your forgetting one main point from what i see,the rspca have to prove adele is unfit to care for parrots period,they wont,when the dont ukpr will contest ownership i would have thought and that will be that.

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  2. 1.) All of the evidence is on the pages of this blog, it is amazing how you just cannot see it. You are deluding yourselves!

    2.) Everything that has been stated on this blog can be proved, otherwise it would not have been stated in the first place.

    3.) If people would like to share their opinion while blatantly lying or skipping around the truth, then they should expect to be responded to.

    4.) If a law had been broken then this blog would have been shut down long ago. You know the truth of your misdeeds, and so do other people.

    5.) You really think the RSPCA are going to send an innocent bird with a respiratory condition back into a smoker's home??? Where he has been for the last 6 months without veterinary treatment... This just shows how stupid you are!!!

    These birds are not 'property', they are a part of the moral community as the Animal Rights definition states, and Mylo is very happy here, where him and JJ were both destined to be...You forget that it was Vikky who spat her dummy out and caused this situation by demanding Mylo back based upon a lie, and i am sure that under oath Adele will not lie for you, and thus perjure herself and jeopardise her life and livelihood is she?

    So UKPR should think long and hard about things...

    Everyone knows that UKPR has ownership, but when the full weight of the law is brought down to bear upon this case that piece of paper will mean nothing.

    Lie after lie after lie cannot stand up against the truth, and Adele is the key. Just remember that because she unlocks this whole sorry story.

    These two ex-RSPCA rescue birds were destined for a new home and a new life and Vikky robbed them of that, thus destroying their rights as living creatures, and setting the events of the last two weeks in motion.

    Everyone wants an amicable outcome from this, and Mylo is exceptionally happy here.

    One last thing; Does Adele really want Mylo & JJ back or is this being forced upon her because there is no other way for Vikky?

    I honestly feel sorry for Adele because I know the truth of what is going on.

    People should be ashamed of themselves. Good grief! She is an ill woman with a young son!!!

    Shame on You!!!

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  3. 2.) Everything that has been stated on this blog can be proved, otherwise it would not have been stated in the first place.

    Im glad honestly,im glad for you because if it cant the s**t really is going to hit the fan is'nt it.

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  4. By the way anonymous "UKPR", if people were not banned and silenced from your forum then this could have all been debated openly there.

    Instead, true to form the banning order was implemented, and thus this situation with Mylo and JJ silenced.

    This blog was then set up to tell the other side of the story, and invite other people with their banning orders to share their stories.

    In the course of 2 weeks this blog has highlighted many things and hey presto you have a new mandate for UKPR practices based upon what this blog has stated.

    Yet you still cannot admit you are in the wrong...

    Like the post states about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!!!

    Maybe too little too late?

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  5. Its already hit and you are all covered in it!!!

    You think what has been published is bad, you have a shock coming when what we havent been able to publish comes into the light.

    This could have been sorted out if Vikky admitted her mistake of BLATANTLY LYING but you have chosen not to.

    Every step of the way you have been given the opportunity to do the right thing for the sake of Mylo & JJ, but you reject it and deny making any mistakes.

    THE VIKKY & ADELE LIE IS WHAT FORCED EVERYONE INTO THIS POSITION, AND GAVE THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE RECEIVING END OF UKPR BUSINESS PRACTICES THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS!!!

    As everyone is well aware, threats of violence, intimidation and the attempt to get people the sack is the order of the day from you, so people believe its easier to stay silent than face the wrath of UKPR, the supposed caring bird rescuers.

    COWBOYS!!!

    And there was me thinking you had seen the light with your new mandate based upon all of the points this blog has pointed out.

    It really is laughable to anyone watching with half a brain.

    Sad though that Mylo & JJ are now separated because of your bloody mindedness.

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  6. IF THIS IS ABOUT MILO AND JJ, THEM BEING REUNITED AND THEIR WELFARE, WHY CAN THE CLOCK NOT BE TURNED BACK TWO WEEKS AND BOTH BIRDS PUT INTO THE HOME THAT WAS ORIGNALLY AGREED FOR THEM TO BE IN BY UKPR
    THIS ALL BOILS DOWN TO A PETTY ARGUMENT OVER A CAGE, WHY NOT JUST GROW UP, SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE AND DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE BIRDS.

    AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE BIRDS ARE HAND REARED AND TAME, AS BREEDERS OF HAND REARED PET BIRDS, HOW CAN YOUY SAY THAT THESE BIRDS SHOULD BE PUT INTO AN AVIARY. YES THEY SHOULD HAVE THE COMPANY OF THEIR OWN KIND AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT ALL ANIMALS SHOULD AND IF THINGS WERE RIGHT THEN THESE TWO WOULD BE TOGETHER.
    YOU WANT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, UKPR, THEN THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE SUITABLE CARERS FOR MACAWS AND COCKATOOS. THESE TWO ARE SORTED IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE, SURELY AS A RESCUE THIS SHOULD BE YOUR AIM FOR ALL OF YOUR BIRDS.

    FROM WHAT I HAVE READ ON YOUR FORUM, UKPR, YOU DO NOT HAVE VERY MANY EXPERIENCED PARROT CARERS AND I HOPE TO GOD THAT NONE OF MY BIRDS EVER END UP IN THE HANDS OF UKPR. I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT YOU COULD NOT DO WHAT YOU PROMISED TO DO AND WOULD TAKE THE EASY OPTION AND PUT THEM INTO AN AVIARY.

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  7. come on vicki show us you are making a big change in ukpr.start by letting jj go to mylo.start things fresh and do what is right.i will volenter my shelf to pick the bird up if you change your mined.start a new begining for ukpr.and a new life for milo and jj.please think seriousley.

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  8. Ukpr will start a fresh when the relevant authorities have completed all there investigations and proved that ukpr does nothing underhand once these investigations are complete and the truth seen by all then im sure ukpr will be taking steps of there own to make sure any future attacks and vendetta's are factual not just a bunch of disgruntled people waging war.Can i ask you all this

    1.Would caron ever have signed the fostering contract if she decided to full time take these birds on?

    .Would she have been forthcoming with the donation?i doubt it....she offered to take a too a while ago but changed her mind once it came to the donation.

    .If she has all these problems with ukpr now,why would she sign a contract when she obviously doubts everything ukpr stand for.

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  9. The most important thing now is getting both JJ and Mylo back together.
    This has obviously reached a stalemate,why not let the birds be reunited with Caron as originally planned and let the investigation take its course.This would not alter legal ownership, would it ?
    If Adele has an allergy to birds, t is not in the best interests of Adele or the birds to consider that a long term option. The option of putting them with Wayne Watkins,as a bonded tame pair going into a collection, again does not seem right to me and I am sure many members of UKPR would not want that for their birds.
    Would Adele want to hand over her handreared B/G macaws to a collection.No disrespect to wayne watkins but this is not the right environment for every bird.
    Would Adele be happy handing over her own B/G macaws to a collection ?

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  10. I had the pleasure of staying with Caron and Paul this past weekend and i'd just like to stay how wonderful it is to see and hear all the support that they're getting behind the scenes. I don't think the phones stopped once whilst i was there, and the emails came flooding in. Mylo is truely a gorgeous little bird, and i don't think i ever saw him far from Paul. I personally got a good nip from him for having the audasity to try to take him downstairs for his breakfast, when he wasn't done having Paul tickle him!

    I'd also like to emphasise that this is not a bird that can be placed in an aviary whilst people cross their fingers and hope for the best. This is a bird that craves constant human contact and interaction. Mylo is also going to require a home experienced with large boistrous birds, as i've already stated he has a beak and he knows how to use it!

    Once again i wish you all the best in reuniting JJ and Mylo in a suitable home environment - hopefully with your little flock! Seems they are determined though to put him back either with Adele or in an aivary which meets none of his needs. I'd have offered my own home to UKPR for the pair had they not banned me before i even commented...but never mind!

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  11. 1.) This has not once been about the ownership of Mylo & JJ, these are living creatures who have rights, not possessions.

    All Caron wanted was to offer them the good home that everyone stated she would, and what these two birds need and deserve.

    2.) Caron did not turn to you asking to foster the pair, you turned to her, and no donation was asked for.

    Mylo & JJ needed a new home in an emergency due to Adele's illness, and Caron was chosen after all of the UKPR home checks as the best possble person for the pair.

    She was asked to take them in with the potential to long term fostering.


    These are rescue birds in the hands of a supposed bird rescue, not an online pet shop selling unwanted donated parrots.

    3.) No donation was asked for with Pebbles, and in the end Pebbles went to Alan.H (UKPR) (Did he pay a 'donation'?)

    4.) There has always been 'issues' with UKPR after watching the boards for over a year. Then having personal dealings with them over Mylo & JJ clearly revealed them.

    Not once has Caron approached UKPR to foster one of their birds, twice UKPR have turned to Caron to foster a bird. Once with Pebbles and now Mylo & JJ.

    It is not until you enter into a physical transaction with someone does the true nature of the people you are delaing with come into play, because before such time you are just an observer not knowing the truth.

    Everyone is banned from the forum and silenced so the truth is never told.

    This blog has been Caron's side of the story!

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  12. It's already been stated on this blog Anonymous that UKPR approached Caron and asked her to take the too as they once again were struggling to find a suitable home. I fully agree with Caron's reasoning that she shouldn't have to pay a donation to do UKPR a favour! I know i wouldn't pay for the priviledge!

    Fair enough if people are offering to take them on and agree with the fixed donation. Since when do you pay to do someone a favour though?!

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  13. 17 March 2009 04:42
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    why have we seen no pictures of caron interacting with Mylo? as it will be her that is wishing to be his full time carer? what happens if paul leaves? having had half a dozen relationships over the last couple of years,it dosent bode well that this one will last very long,and surely UKPR would not sign these beautiful birds over to paul,as until a month or so ago,had never even held a bird? and not being funny,but caron,arent you in your late 50's? these are young birds,will you be around long enough to take care of them for the rest of their lives? and can i also point out,that june at parrotcare smokes too

    S-Talisa - :O !! Of what relevance is Caron's personal life to you? God only knows what you have based this upon. Caron was married for over 20 years, since then she has had two relationships, the second being with Paul. I fail to see why you would write this other than to wrongly attempt to tarnish Carons reputation with promiscuity....how utterly desperate and pathetic!

    Secondly Caron is no where near in her late 50's! You are at least 10 years out! I shall recommend that she hands in her application to '10 Years Younger' seeing as though you seem to think she's had such a rough paper round! Are UKPR going to be adding age discrimination to their repitoire as a matter of interest? A 'yes you're a perfect home but are you gonna snuff it before the bird?' clause in the contract prehaps?!

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  14. do you know i have my bids at my home and i have not once been asked once for a donation of safehaven parrot refuge not one penny.it sounds like if you dont get a donation you dont get the bird.money again its all about money.as i say not one penny,but i have spent hundreds of pounds on vet fees and has you may know we have 2 cockatoos on sporonox that is nebulized twice per day ,i have a 68 year old amazon,she had 6 homes in 5 month she has been with us 8 years.so there was no donation but at least chris knows they are all ok.so you dont get your money as long as the birds are ok.we rescue rough collies and when you fescue one of there dogs it is up to you what or if you give a donation.we have had 4 old dogs of them and all dogs where old and they where not wanted becauce they where a little messey .as long as the dogs where looked after and given the treatment at the vets.no donation so what.start thinking about the animals not the ££££££££ in it.

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  15. Further more to my above point with regards to age.

    Average life expectancy of UK female - 82
    Average life expectancy of UK male - 77

    Average life expectancy of Cockatoo - 60
    Average life expectancy of African Grey - 55
    Average life expectancy of Macaw - 50-80

    Prehaps some of your breeders can clarify if they refuse to sell chicks to those who may outlive their birds. Should there be a blanket ban on anyone over the age of 20 for the sale of birds? I'm sure that would rule out just about everyone reading this from ever having a larger parrot.

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  16. and one more thing,if you keep banning folk then you will allways be stuggling for homes.

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  17. good point raven s at the end of the day once they have sold a bird a lot of breeders wont even think of the bird or where the poor buggers go.i think all parrot breeders should be made to chip there birds and registere with a natinal breeders registere.then they can see what is happening to ther birds and when the rescue groups get them they know who have breed them.

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  18. would just like to add in the interest of staking claim to all my comments, that in the one about caron's personal life and age being dragged into this s-talisa is myself, forgot which user name i had on here, doh!

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  19. Anonymous said...
    why have we seen no pictures of caron interacting with Mylo? as it will be her that is wishing to be his full time carer? what happens if paul leaves? having had half a dozen relationships over the last couple of years,it dosent bode well that this one will last very long,and surely UKPR would not sign these beautiful birds over to paul,as until a month or so ago,had never even held a bird? and not being funny,but caron,arent you in your late 50's? these are young birds,will you be around long enough to take care of them for the rest of their lives? and can i also point out,that june at parrotcare smokes too


    Just wondered how long it would be before Vikkys mouth got the better of her, resorting to personal attacks. Caron, dont let this get to you she is showing her true colours now.
    As many have seen before on PL she always retaliates with unfounded personal insults.
    Nothing new Vikky dragging it back down to the gutter.

    Nil illegitimi Carborundum.

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  20. i am 59 years of age it dont stop you looking after your birds or fighting for there rights.and at 59 i can still stand up for my self,dont let age fool you.caron as more respect than pick or make nasty remarks about peoples lives.weres all the respect gone for your elders.hit at peoples personal lives you got to be sick you sick bastards.

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  21. I would just like to make one thing very clear, I do not and never have agreed with putting pet birds into avairies, yes I do have aviary birds, but these are not tame pets. My pet birds like Mylo, have special constructed play rooms and areas, where play and interaction takes place with myself the other pet birds. These birds also have access to outside play areas, when they wish.

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