(Commment left in comments section)Courtesy of June
Having been questioned over goodness knows how many pages by Vikky and Alan h (and answered the questions as clearly as I could) I am amazed that they are unable or unwilling to answer questions put to them.
A few things that should be taken into account by the 'fosterers' of any of the birds turned over to the UKPR.
One, it is questionably illegal to charge money in any shape or form for birds that have been placed with a group that advertises itself as a "rescue" if a fosterer has paid a donation that was asked for, to allow them to have the bird they have in fact bought the bird and it no longer belongs to the "rescue" so to take it back would be stealing.
The money from the sale of these 'rescued' birds would be income and tax etc would need to be paid on it,selling birds that are given as rescued birds could leave the person/s open to prosecution from any one of the "owners" of the birds, as would breeding the birds to make a profit from them.
If monies were asked for or collected to help the birds then every penny will need to be accounted for, if it is not then it would be fraud, and everyone that are apart of that group could be charged with the same if they knew what was happening and helped facilitate it.
If it was not stated that money would be spent on clothing when asking for donations then the money should not be spent in that way.
As a charity, every penny must be accounted for and were I to put out collection boxes I am not allowed to open them they must go to an accountant to be opened and the amounts in them recorded.
Anyone who feels that their money has not been used in the way it way given to be used can ask for it back.
When a person or the RSPCA hands a bird over to a group that has set its self up as a "rescue" they have the right to expect that the bird will be cared for in the very best way possible, that it will not be sold or bred with (unless a breeding situation is expressly asked for) and thereby used as a money making profession.
It truly sickens me to think that any poor cockatoo may have been placed in a breeding situation or any bird.
Transparency is needed in all the dealings to date, the amount of money received and where it has been spent (with the necessary paperwork).
If the UKPR has been going for two years it would have already given in at least one years accounts and anyone can ask Companies house to see them, if no accounts have been paid in then I can see a very big legal problem for the UKPR.
I beleive they have been trading a little over 12 mths, November springs to mind so accounts will be due if in fact they are a registered company.
ReplyDeleteIt was originally planned to set ukpr up as a non-profit organisation which i think would still require a companies house registration.
By their own admission all the work is done by unpaid volunteers, expensed out of their own pockets. They have no Sanctuary facilities, so no expenses there, all the birds are looked after initially by emergency carers I believe, again out of the carers own pockets.
Where the monies have gone from enforced fostering donations, donations through the website, auctions, and the online shop is anybodies guess. With the revelations that are now coming out it certainly doesnt seem like the generously donated funds have been used for the purpose they were asked for.
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ReplyDelete" From david, www.parrot-link.co.uk
As many of the UKPR founders came from my forum I am watching the developments with interest. When the dust settles and all the facts are out I will comment fully.
However, if it is true that UKPR have been placing ex-pet Cockatoos in breeding situations, and, as suggested, with convicted bird-smuggler, Mr Sissen, then those responsible should be ashamed".
Response to a comment from UKPR's blog.
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i see st june ( jebirds )has arrived at long last, i was expecting you much sooner, now i see where all this has come from ! anyone reading this blog will know i have spent many months questioning june on a well known parrot forum only to be answered with vague accounts or being stopped by mods and admin and threads being locked to stop me from gaining any truths, assisted by caron ( ukpr watch) but was i assisted ? or was i duped ? is this now PAYBACK ? for questionin mrs edwards, she stated she has never bred but upon finding posts that prove otherwise she changes her story, then she says she as never sold a rescue bird, i find a post offering a rescue sulpher crested cockatoo of hers for sale then she claims she had a moment of madness LOL, I have many correspondences from caron stating her real concerns of this rescue on PL encouraging me to try to get to the bottom of things, then all of a sudden here they are together, personally i believe this little exorcise was planned to gain trust from UKPR to get mylo and JJ and pass them on to june but when only mylo turned up it put a spanner in the works ! with all the talk of getting mylo and jj back together in a neutral place my bet is they are planning on suggesting junes, but probably not now LOL
now that is one rescue that does need outing !
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How unscrupulous does Alan think we are to have a pre-planned agenda with June to obtain Mylo and JJ????
Its laughable. Paranoia or what!
Considering June has over 120 rescue birds, do you really think that she had a dastardly plan to obtain another 2 (JJ & Mylo), and then work for 6 months to achieve it lol... Im sure she has enough on her hands already, what do you think?
Making yourself look stupid here Alan... Again.
Being new to computers and becoming both a UKPR and PL member i watched both forums over the time of first joining and commented where appropriate to gain a better understanding of what is happening in the rescue world. You were, and always do, unleash your full vitriolic force against June, and at the beginning before i knew June, yes i may have questioned things in talking to you on UKPR based on your belief. Wouldn't anyone question someone they were in contact with? (I am sure there are many people questioning each other about this blog and UKPR rescue service now, its what people do.) But everyone who has been following PL knows that June is abslutely transparent and has been able to answer every one of the ncreasingly desperate sounding questions posed to her by the likes of you. That's why she has the respect that she does from people. She is still standing after everything you and other UKPR members have unleashed against her.
Unlike you on your forum who immediately ban people who start asking tricky questions... The naughty step is a running joke now with ex-UKPR members.
In the end your hatred towards June just got boring, same old same old kind of thing, so i should expect that is why your threads are locked and posts removed now on PL.
Not banned though are you? At least PL allows you to stay put on their forum, allowing you to post constructive comments while you are there, before you embark on another degenerate hate June campaign - Freedom of speech!
If anyone disagrees with this please comment.
After speaking to June several times, and watching the threads with her comments answering questions, when it comes to parrot rescue i hold her in extremely high regard, just like many other people do.
If, when i set out in the online parrot rescue world i spoke to people i was in contact with and posed questions relating to their arguments, that was for nothing more than to understand what was going on, and who is out there within this community, based upon what people were saying.
I am sure there are many people who have posed questions and built perceptions based upon what others are saying, (human nature i think!!!), exactly what is happening between people here, with this blog.
The only difference is, is that usually UKPR members only get Vikky and her sycophants perception of things because everyone else is banned, and those perceptions are based upon lies which dupe the innocent, unknowing ones.
This is a fact as many people know!
This blog was initially set up so that i could speak about my side of things regarding my UKPR banning order for all those innocent unknowing ones, and for others with banning orders to share why they are now on the 'naughty step' too.
PL has not wanted their threads to be clogged up with UKPR rubbish so issued a blanket veto on everyone speaking about it on the forum.
This now is an independent forum so that the truth can be told for the sake of rescue birds and their fosterers, and if there is any illegal action or welfare issues that should be looked into then it will be. It seems that parrot rescue is a pretty much ungoverned, lawless world, where certain people can do what they like without a thought for the birds and the consequences of their actions. In my opinion and in the opinion of many others, that needs to change to stop something like this from happening again.
Nobody likes to have to go through what some of us have been through in the past, and what some of us are now going to have to go through because of those experiences, but for the sake of the innocent defenceless parrot birds, we as humans are willing to do whatever it takes to change things for now and in the future.
My present disagreement with UKPR (Vikky) is over the welfare of JJ & Mylo, and if there are any unknowing ones reading this, then please read the "facts" stated on this blog and nothing more, and allow them to create your perception of what has happened, not what people are saying.
Then put that all of that into the context of what other people are saying too.
Would the abuse of defenceless children be tolerated?
So why should abuse of these defenceless birds be tolerated too?
Vikky was given ample opportunity to rectify the situation, as can be seen on the 'infamous removed thread' post but she declined, and forced both of us into the position we are now in. Now that she has, the whole truth is coming out, and it is not a very nice truth, with the innocent defenceless rescue birds, we all love at the centre of this, and that is what i and others are now fighting for.
Why be rescuers if we are not willing to fight for them to be rescued in the first place?
iv got to say that any parrot rescue have got to seperate there selfs with all breeders otherwise this is going to kick of all the time.you cant put the two together.at the end of the day one adds to the problem the other trys to clear up the problem .you either do one or the other you cant do both.
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